Hi, I'm Helen and I'm Sarah and this is the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly show where we talk about something to do with work, could be anything, but it's designed to help you to navigate your career, the ups, the downs, the ins and outs to give you some skills and support to work your way through whatever is happening at the moment. And if you

would like some support beyond the podcast, we've got lots of things for you. So we have a weekly

free session called Popplus where you can connect with some like-minded listeners who like talking

about this stuff a little bit more. And we dive deeper into the topic, which today is about

failure. More on that in a second. You can also

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learn a bit more from what you might be listening to. All of that stuff is in the show notes.

And if you ever can't find it, you can always email us where Helen and Sarah at squiggly careers.com. But today, our topic is how you move forward from

failure. I always think our topics do reflect a little bit what's going on in our lives at the

moment. Well, what should we talk about this week? What is it up and down in and out that we're

struggling with? So, more generally, kind of outside of Helen and I's world, why moving forward from failure in a squiggly career?

Well, I was thinking about this and I do feel like within a squiggly career, failure is even more inevitable, probably than it has been before, which might sound a bit demotivating,

but I don't think the question anymore is like, will you fail or how do I stop myself from

failing? It's more when you fail, how do you respond? And that's why we've called it kind of

moving forward. And I think that's because we're all developing in different directions,

all of that unlearning and relearning, being a beginner, all of the

uncertainty and change. I think everything around us, almost our context, has increased the

chances of frequent failure. But the more you read about this, the more you realize that often

it's our relationship with failure and it's how we respond that makes a really big difference.

So it happens to all of us and it happens to the best of us.

But today we're going to really try and help you with not only sort of why is it hard

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