Okay. We're laughing because Chuck just said, what do you want to talk about in the preamble?

And I said, wow, what if we talk about the amazing interview we just conducted?

That's probably a good idea. I'm going to go with it.

It's the way I heard it episode number 281 and not to overstate it. But yes, this was

a very good interview. And I say that not because Chuck or I asked amazing questions, although

I think we did okay. You did better than I did. Yeah. Well, you know, that's kind of why

it's the way I heard it with who Mike. Yeah, Mike.

Yeah. Got it. Our guest is another Mike. Mike Rinder. He's been making the rounds because

he's written an extraordinary memoir called Abillion Years. Abillion Years refers to the term

that seorg members in the Church of Scientology pledge to serve a billion years. The name

of this episode is I'd like to buy a vowel V-O-W because I think it rhymes nicely with the

title of the book and you'll hear how it pops up in our conversation. But Chuck, this

was a good one, man. Really, I could have listened to that guy talk for three hours. It's been

a long time coming and regular listeners. No, I've had it be in my bonnet with Scientology

for a long time. This was gratifying on damn near every level.

It really was. We've had spanky Taylor on before who knows Mike Rinder very well. And she's

been telling me for a long time that he's such a wonderful guy and he proved to be just

that. He's got that charming Australian accent, which makes it really jacked up because he

says vowel and you think vowel or vowel. I didn't know what he was talking about, but

we worked it out. He's on the podcast because he spent most of his life, not just in Scientology,

but way, way, way, way up the food chain. He and David Muscavige were basically connected

at the hip for a long time. He got in Scientology at a very young age. He worked on the Apollo,

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