It's like your phone is basically a terrorist that's trying to extort you for money.

And so anytime you're on your phone and you feel something, someone's making money.

So of course, here it is that it's a tool that we need to use because, well, some of us do, right?

Some of us don't.

We could always go off and live in a yurt and have a different existence that makes a lot of other kind of sense.

Yeah.

But if we're trying to integrate in the world, we need it.

But I mean, imagine like these phones are so dangerous in certain ways if they're not controlled.

It's like with our kids, we almost are seating to be like, okay, well, you can have a little bit of

crack so that you're not left out of everybody else is doing crack all the time.

Like, we don't want you to be excluded from the crack community.

This is Jonathan Peugeot, and welcome to the symbolic world.

All right, so hello everybody. I am very happy to be here with Greg Hurwitz. Greg has been on my channel before. You might have seen him. He's also been involved with Daily Wire, the Exodus series that we're doing. You've had great conversations. You might have also seen the conversation between Greg, myself, and Jordan, about Jordan's tweets. So I would say that in the process of this, we're kind of progressively becoming friends

and discovering our relationship, like discovering the similarities and differences between

our position.

Greg comes from a more democratic kind of, let's say, left-leaning world, but he's been

really great at crossing bridges

and being able to discuss things in ways that sometimes it's hard to do. So today, I want to talk,

especially about a new book that he, a new comic book that he put out called New Think,

in which he, it's like a modern fairy tale that deals with AI and, and some of the problems

of technology. So I'm sure we'll

veer to all kinds of things. But that's what, at least the beginning of the conversation. So,

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