277. New Science on Fatigue Resistance, Leadville 100 Documentary, Our Fears About The Enhanced Games, A Cross Training Guide, and Timing of Strides!

Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Running, Sports

4.8 • 2.1K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 98 minutes

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Summary

We had such a blast recording this great episode! The main science topic was a new study on improving fatigue resistance, which performance-matched athletes with different training approaches to see what led to better outcomes.

The conclusion is a direct prescription for athletes looking to have better endurance. Being who we are, we throw some scientific turds in the study’s punch bowl.

We also talked about the new Leadville documentary “Nothing to Lose,” which is coming out on Thursday. Yes, there was a butt shot at mile 23. But most importantly, Director Cody Bare created a beautiful film about what happens after an athlete hits rock bottom. In other words: yes, there is emotional butt too.

And this one was full of the best topics! Other topics: Megan’s recovery lessons after the 50 miler, blood volume responses, why we love the new product “Dream Shot” so much (plus a 25% discount code), why we are so horrified by champion sprinter Fred Kerley joining the Enhanced Games, Harry Styles running an amazing sub-3 hour marathon, plus questions on post-race blues, headlamps, cross training, relationships, ethical dilemmas with bicarb responders v. non-responders, timing of strides, overcoming plateaus, rest days, and mid-run carbs for low volume training.

May all of the ways you are weird be uplifted, even when they involve sneezing and toilets for some reason (that will make sense after you listen...maybe). We love you all! HUZZAH!

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0:00.0	Woo. Welcome to the SomeWork All Play podcast. We are so happy to do with you today. Happy Tuesday. It's Tuesday. And I'm feeling ready to hit repeat on this Tuesday. Ready to hit repeat. What are you talking about? Talking about a Dropbox file right now that is currently in existence and is about to come onto YouTube. Yeah. Director Cody is going to come out with the Leadville documentary, which is really special.
0:22.7	I'm very excited for people to see it, which is not a way I usually feel about videos that involve me.
0:28.5	It is a work of art.
0:29.8	It's like an hour long.
0:31.1	It dives deep into the entire experience after Western States and then gets raw with Leadville itself in ways I don't know if I've
0:38.6	ever really seen. So I'm excited for people to, you know, get some popcorn and go for it.
0:43.4	It is so well done. I got 10 minutes into the video this weekend downstairs on the tread hill
0:48.7	and was like, I'm just going to watch this twice. I do a two-hour uphill treadmill and keep
0:53.1	watching this documentary. So you decided that 10 minutes in. 10 minutes in. Fortunately, I found gels like stashed under a compartment because I was like, you need to do some high carb fueling while I'm at it. And it was good. That might be the best thing about the Wahoo Kicker Run is I just store gels, like a chipmunk storing nuts for winter. And some of them, some of them are open. And so I was like diving through the stickiness to be like, which gel cannot find that's not opened yet? The open ones are fine. They're so good. Yeah. And I also like that it doubles as a convenient excuse for you to go off your training plan and double up your uphill tribe mill. You were at a wedding this weekend and I was solo parenting and I sent you a text and I was like, it's got to be a two hour uphill tribe. Yeah. I'm doing work for you. I got to do this. Yeah. And I can reject you when you say that you're going to do it to watch my video twice. But the video isn't just my video. It's our video. it just features, you know, our relationship so much in ways that are going to be really special when we're like 80 years old looking back. Like, I don't know. At Western States, I let myself down so much partially because I wasn't myself, not just in the race day, but like kind of in the narratives that had formed around it.
2:02.1	This video is the me you get at a wedding or, you know, in life.
2:05.5	And then to have it overlap with the way we are in life, just really special to have this
2:11.1	moment in time encapsulated.
2:12.7	Well, someday we will be watching it when we're 80, hopefully together.
2:15.6	And I'm going to be looking back on it and being like, that was like young love, but also young ass at the same time. Because you came into
2:22.6	the outward bound aid station at mile 23 and you're like, I just want some Volterran on my high
2:27.1	hamstrings. And I was prepared. I was like, I'm going to go up there. And the video documented it.
2:32.1	It was great. Yeah. You got way up there. You need to wash all the way
2:37.0	up to your elbows, like a surgeon going in, scrubbing in. Well, I'm used to your green shorts and they
2:41.7	have this longer liner in them and you were wearing orange shorts for the race, which looked great.
2:46.0	And all of a sudden I pull up the orange shorts and I was like, whoa, there is nothing under here and this is great.
2:52.0	We haven't talked about this. The ass made it in. It's just just a little bit of ass. It's just a
2:55.9	suggestive amount of ass. But for ultra running, ultra running doesn't have like even a little
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