What pushed me to go overseas was after I got cut. I'll tell you, in my exit interview,

and the coach looked at me and it was like, man, you're really good on the defensive man.

I love your defense. He was like, offensively, you're a liability. In my head, I took that as

you're a half player, man. You can only do half the game. You're no good to us. I was like, all right, so what do I have to do to get better?

I got to train more.

At that time, I'm working full time and training.

I was like, I'm 23 years old or so.

I'm like, I got to focus on ball and sport.

So I was like, let's go overseas.

And when you go overseas, they cover your meals and housing, right?

I mean, you don't get paid nothing. So, like, I'm over there to focus on me.

Today's guest is Trayvon Jennifer. Trayvon was born without legs, and he went on to become a three-time Paralympic gold medalist

in wheelchair basketball.

When he was trying to earn a spot on Team USA, Trayvon made the bold decision to leave his job

and to play basketball overseas, a choice that transformed not just his game, but his entire perspective

on mental strength and athletic excellence. In our conversation, we explore the delicate

balance between being a world-class athlete and a present father, the power of visualization

and high-pressure moments, and how being told that he was only half a player drove Trayvon to become one of

the best defensive specialists in the game. Let's listen in.

Trey Jennifer, it is an honor and a pleasure to have you on my podcast. I'm really looking forward to diving into your story. Thank you so much for making a time.

Hey, man. Thank you for having me. I'm ready to hop right into it. Yeah, man. So before we started recording, I said that I wanted this to feel like a conversation that two seatmates were having on a flight, right? And ironically, that's how I found out about you.

I was on a Delta flight and you popped up on the seat back screen and you're in your wheelchair

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