Harry Jaffa has this wonderful line that the West is saved or revitalized every time a human

heart is saved from the dark night of nihilism and relativism. And this is kind of the

premise also of my book that you know, you've titled a book How to Save the West. And of course,

you feel a certain trepidation about like people are going to look to you

for some political program or some you know list of answers but the point that I'm I'm trying to make in the

book which Marcus I think you you get at really well is like you know actually the restitution the

restoration of every human heart is the project of the West and I think the first step to that cuts very close to everything we've been I think the first step to that, it cuts very close to

everything we've been talking about. The first step to that has to be some recovery of this,

of the validity of symbols, right? Of the, just the fact that these are not kind of arbitrary

or accidental features of our biology, but are, I think you use the word

primary, Jonathan, that they are, in some sense, kind of a bedrock of reality.

And, you know, this is, I think, expressed very well in the Temaeus and kind of carried forth

by these Christian traditions we've been talking about.

Yeah. by these Christian traditions you've been talking about. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to Mark Christ. My name is Marcus. Today I'm joining once again my friend

Jonathan Pajou, who's been a great inspiration to me in this channel. Jonathan is a professional

artist, writer and product speaker giving workshops and conferences all around North America. He teaches carving, speaks in art,

but mostly he explores symbolic structures that underlay our experience of the world.

Through his YouTube channel and his podcast, this is a body world, he furtheres the

conversational symbolism, meaning and patterns and everything from movies, the icons,

the social trends. If I may go off a script here we have it and let you know about some exciting news. So Jonathan and I are actually in the final stages of organising an event with Paul Kingsman

with and Dr. Martin Sean Dublin this June. So keeping out for that. And you'll be able to follow that on my YouTube channel and on event, event break, and book tickets there.

And I'll also be offering other events, one including Calvin Robinson, Roger, and Father

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