Welcome to the tech policy podcast. I'm Ashkazarian. On today's show, we have Joe Miller,

president and CEO of the Washington Center for Technology Policy and Inclusion. Joe, thank you for joining us.

Thank you. Nice to be here.

So today we're going to talk about a very important and crucial topic in 2020, which is

transparency and use of technology by police.

I just want to kind of give a high-level view of what's happening here.

You know, and first of all, thanks so much for having me.

You know, your podcast started and my podcast started around the same time. So we're the originals here. So it's nice to see tech freedoms,

tech policy podcast still going. But when we talk about kind of the high level concerns here,

the biggest concerns, we're talking about law enforcement having the ability to basically modernize what they've

always done in our communities in a disproportionate way. Simone Brown, a professor at UT Austin,

wrote a book called Dark Matters, in which she discusses Jeremy Bentham's Panopticon design,

which became the model for plantation overseers and then prisons.

But we're also talking about other innovations we've seen in which the police disproportionately

target blacks and Latinos and communities like the one I grew up in, right?

The Upper West Side was a very different place in the 80s and 90s when I was there,

alongside the affluent homes on

Central Park West and some of the brown stones on West 96th Street, where I grew up were people of

color when hip hop was on the rise. We all played double Dutch. You know, this was the precinct

where the Central Park Five were picked up a few years after Bernie gets and cops were stopping us back then too.

So now we have these technologies coming in like facial recognition like body cameras.

Sometimes facial recognition body cameras are put into one, but we'll go for that.

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