Today we're stepping into the tension between history and hope. Between the past, the church won't

fully confront and the future we have the power to shape. Our guest is a man who's become one of the

leading voices at the intersection of race, faith, and American history. He's a historian,

incredible author, and speaker, and an unwavering truth teller. His name is Jemar

Tisby. And you may know him as the author of The Color of Compromise, a groundbreaking book that

unmasks how American Christianity has often been more committed to the status quo than to the

gospel's call for justice. Or perhaps you've heard him speak on how silence, moderation, and cheap reconciliation

have kept racism alive inside the very institutions meant to embody love and liberation.

I met Jamar at one of these speaking engagements, which was the Summit for Religious Freedom

this past April. Tisbee doesn't just offer critique. He offers a path forward.

In his book, How to Fight Racism, his arc of racial justice, which is awareness,

relationships, and commitment, challenges us to move forward beyond performative allyship into real

sustainable change. Today, we're diving into his work, his story, and the radical invitation he extends to all of us,

to tell the truth about the past of our country so that we can finally build a better future.

It's not just a history lesson, it's a reckoning. Today on flipping tables.

And before we bring Jamar on, I again just want to say a huge thank you to everyone who sent me such kind messages regarding my great niece Lucy.

I'm back in Nashville, as you can see, the sound and the video is much better than my mobile kit.

But I was very happy to have that time with family to just support my niece, Maddie, Lucy's mom,

and just be there with them.

And for them, I haven't actually spent time with family in about two years.

So it was great.

But I'm also happy to be home and be getting back into a routine.

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