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The Rest Is History

263: USA vs England: The 200-Year Rivalry

The Rest Is History

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🗓️ 25 November 2022

⏱️ 72 minutes

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In today's World Cup special, Anglo-American relations are at their most tense, as the USA and England take to the football/soccer pitch. Join Tom and Dominic as they take a retrospective look at this 200-year love-hate relationship. From the War of 1812, to Charles Dickens, all the way up to Beatlemania and James Bond - buckle up to discover the historical drama underpinning today's battle in Al Bayt Stadium. Join The Rest Is History Club (www.restishistorypod.com) for ad-free listening to the full archive, weekly bonus episodes, live streamed shows and access to an exclusive chatroom community. *The Rest Is History Live Tour 2023*: Tom and Dominic are back on tour this autumn! See them live in London, New Zealand, and Australia! Buy your tickets here: restishistorypod.com Twitter: @TheRestHistory @holland_tom @dcsandbrook Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

We, my dear Crossman, are Greeks in this American Empire. You will find the Americans

0:16.6

much as the Greeks found the Romans. Great, big, vulgar, bustling people, more vigorous

0:22.2

than we are, but also more idle, with more unspoiled virtues, but also more corrupt.

0:29.2

We must run Allied forces HQ as the Greeks ran the operations of the Emperor Claudius.

0:37.5

That was Harold McMillan talking to the future Labour MP Richard Crossman during the Second

0:43.0

World War, and Tom, we do think of ourselves, don't we, a little bit, as the Greeks to

0:48.1

the Americans, Romans, as the sort of... I mean, people think of us as the brains behind

0:53.1

the operation, don't they? Ultimately. I mean, I know we're down on our

0:56.6

Europas. I know we're not what we were, but I hope we're better than the freed slaves

1:00.2

who served the Emperor Claudius. Yes, quite a few of them must have been Unix.

1:03.6

They weren't Unix, but I mean, nothing to boast about. So we're continuing our World Cup

1:09.1

series, aren't we? And we're doing kind of special episodes on the countries that are playing

1:14.1

England in the group stages of the Qatar World Cup. So we've already done Iran, and today

1:19.8

England are playing the United States. And one of the things that was very salient in the episode

1:24.8

we did on Iran is that in international relations, power balances tend to mean that one country,

1:33.9

the less powerful country, is far more obsessed with the other country than the powerful countries

1:39.2

with the inferior country. Of course. So Iran is much, much more obsessed with Britain or England

1:46.4

than Britain is with Iran, say. Yeah, and we've had that a bit actually Tom, because we've had

1:51.0

that with Argentina when we talked about the Fulcans War. Many months ago, all those countries

1:56.2

that were affected by Britain's empire, either formally or informally, developed a kind of

2:01.2

mingled admiration and resentment of Britain and they, and I wonder whether that's similar to

2:05.4

the relationship that we now have with the United States? Well, what's interesting about Britain's

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