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Some Work, All Play

261. Kilian's Western States Training Video, Jim Walmsley Isn't Racing (!), Weird Broccoli Sprouts Science, and A New Bicarb Gel!

Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Sports, Running

4.81.4K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2025

⏱️ 101 minutes

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Summary

We gulped down some pungent juice before recording this amazing episode! The main topics were the two big pieces of news: Jim Walsmley won't be racing Western States, and Kilian Jornet is making training videos now. Jim is the GOAT and we gave him an 85% chance of winning just last week. He's the supermassive black hole at the center of the Western States galaxy. Without Jim at the start line, how does it change the race?

Kilian is the GOAT too (yes, we have a GOAT herd), and he just released a training video! He abides by the "no secrets" approach, and we analyzed every frame of that video to try to find clues about whether he might be beatable. Answer: no. Bonus answer: Kilian is the best and it's fascinating that he started his own video series by talking about his heat training.

And this one was full of great topics! Other topics: our magical coaching day at the US Mountain Championships, thoughts on training for mountain races, Unbreakable 2 cancellation, the wild triumph of Simon Yates, a new bicarb gel that could upend the bicarb market, the wild science of broccoli sprouts and a new juice supplement from Nomio, anti-histamines and athletic performance, why we're eating dark chocolate (it tastes good), lung training via breathing devices, the relationship between speed work and form in ultras, a hypothetical about Conner Mantz racing Leadville or Western States, an article in the New York Times on unethical mountaineering, training with a newborn, dealing with life transitions, fitting the Naked Belt, the cost of running, cheaper suphershoes, and an incredible poem on failing and flying.

Everyone forgets that Icarus also flew. Also, if Icarus had broccoli sprouts and Kilian's training video, maybe he would have flown a bit longer.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Woo!

0:01.5

Welcome to the SummerK AllPlay podcast.

0:03.2

We are so happy to do with you today.

0:04.6

Happy Tuesday.

0:05.4

It's Tuesday.

0:06.4

And I'm channeling my inner mountain goat on this Tuesday.

0:08.9

Ooh, your mountain goat.

0:09.8

What's your mountain goat doing?

0:10.8

It comes from the U.S. Mountain Champs this weekend.

0:13.3

It was wild to watch, actually.

0:15.8

So much fun.

0:16.7

And your athletes crushed it.

0:18.1

Yeah, it was a crazy day. So the live stream of the Mountain Champs was at 7 a.m.

0:22.8

Mountain Time.

0:23.8

And they tried with the live stream.

0:25.8

It was amazing.

0:26.5

The commentary was great, but it was really hard to get video on this mountain.

0:30.8

So we spent like an hour and 15 minutes looking at this grainy ass footage from 1894,

0:36.0

but with great commentary over it, trying to figure out what

0:38.3

was going on. The commentary was amazing. And then it was a lot of pictures of like people's feet

0:42.3

off cart. And at one point, they showed like a 65 year old woman. They're like, it's the men's

0:47.2

leaders. Just because it was so greeny that it was hard to make out. Just trying to make out pixels.

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