#260: Profiling The “Guru” and the Spiritual Warrior Deaths , Part 1

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True Crime, Society & Culture, Exhibit C, Documentary

4.2 • 10.5K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2020

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Laura Richards, Jim Clemente and Lisa Zambetti discuss the Wondery podcast "Guru" and break down the dark side of enlightenment. We discuss how someone with no qualifications or credentials can influence and manipulate so many as well as the enablers.

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0:07.0	All I knew about SWOT lodges is that they were a tradition by Native Americans.
0:12.0	The victims said that there was rocks in the middle, there were heat rocks, and they poured water over them to release the heat.
0:19.0	And it was too enlighten, basically.
0:24.0	This was a retreat called spiritual warrior, consisted of various different activities.
0:29.0	The SWOT lodge was the final event of the retreat.
0:33.0	There's three dead people, and there's so many different factors that could be the difference between whether this was a tragic accident or crime.
0:42.0	My husband and I attended, or volunteered, at 27 events in about a span of three years.
0:48.0	When we get nervous, a group of us that were together used to always say, he wouldn't ask us to do something that was really dangerous because we could get her, and that would be bad for business.
1:07.0	Towards the end of doing these events with him, though, that became more of a question.
1:12.0	Would he have us do something? I mean, this is getting a little nuts.
1:17.0	We went to spiritual warrior in 2007, this was the pinnacle.
1:23.0	Before you sign up for these events, you're going to sign a disclaimer about all kinds of stuff, but you don't know what you're going to run into.
1:29.0	The anticipation was there was going to be a SWOT lodge.
1:33.0	On the edge of the pit, the steam just comes up, it's searing your legs, searing your arms, you can't breathe.
1:38.0	Of course, you're sitting in this thing and you go, this is hotter than anything I've ever experienced.
1:43.0	He's right. Yes, this is going on really long. He's right. Yes, I think I'm going to die.
1:47.0	But he said, I'm not going to die, and he's going to take care of me. He's always been right.
1:51.0	Because all along, there's so many things that he asked you to do, and you thought I couldn't do it.
1:57.0	He said, yes, you can, and then you did it. And finally, you go, well, no, really.
2:01.0	I think I'm going to die, and I think I'm going to leave.
2:04.0	You get to a point where that might not be possible.
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