Over 36 years ago, the Irish Republican army bombed the Grand Hotel in Brighton during

conservative party conference. Five people were killed in the attack, still 13 years before

the Good Friday Agreement finally ended the Northern Ireland troubles, a three-decade long

conflict which took over three and a half thousand lives. The man who planted the bomb

was Patrick McGee, whose new book, where grieving begins, details his own account.

I've interviewed McGee to understand how he became involved in the armed struggle, whether

he regrets the attack and the loss of life, and what he's learned about reconciliation.

I've also interviewed Joe Berry, an incredible woman whose father, Sir Anthony Berry, died

in the attack and has since committed her life to fighting for peaceful resolutions

to conflict by founding bridges for peace.

Joe Berry has established a friendship with the man who killed her father spanning two

decades. It's a truly extraordinary story with lessons about how the raw emotions

fueled by conflict can be overcome, and about humanity and about hope. These are two

of the most powerful interviews I've ever done. I learned a huge amount, and I think

you will as well. First, my interview with Patrick McGee, better known as the Brighton

Bomber.

Thank you so, so much for joining us in these very turbulent times. I just want to start.

It's 36 years since the Brighton bombing. It's almost as long as I was alive. It happened

two months after I was born, and it's 23 years since the Good Friday Agreement formally

ended the troubles which killed over 3,500 people. For a new generation, not least those

younger than myself, this feels like a different historical area. I studied it at University

of History, bizarrely enough. But for you, this was much of your life, so I just want

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