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Hey guys, it's episode number 257 of the way I heard it. This one is called where the chili

meets the cheese. Mostly because it's an expression I like and when I used it in the conversation

you're about to hear my guest admitted to immediately becoming a bit peckish.

And that made me laugh, Chuck, because when he said it, I knew that you were probably thinking

the same thing. Am I right? I wake up hungry. I go to bed hungry. I'm hungry all the time.

I think you know that. Yeah. This episode of the way I heard it is not about food or hunger.

It's about speech and my guest is a guy named Greg Lukionov who I met a few months ago in Colorado

at a gathering called Stan Together. Stan Together is an organization that was formed not too long ago

by Charles Koch who's the big supporter of micro works and Charles wanted to focus on helping

foundations and organizations that provided what he calls bottom up solutions. And that's what

Greg is all about. He has an organization called Fire. It stands for foundation of individual

rights in expression for. Yeah. You said something I say. It's foundation of foundation for

individual rights and expression. Oh, of and for. I don't really think that's your main.

You could call me pedantic. You know, it's their name. And their website is thefire.org.

Thefire.org. Okay. Well, not what do you want people to do with that information now?

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