253. New Science on Protein Needs, Unbreakable 2, VO2 Max Estimates, Carb Loads, Torpedo Bats, and Cross Training Intensity!

Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Sports, Running

4.8 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2025

⏱️ 99 minutes

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Summary

We put on our finest white spandex for this amazing episode! The main topic was a new review study on protein needs for endurance athletes. The authors used a cool method of isotope labeling to argue that endurance athletes need more protein than traditional recommendations. The nutrition revolution is not just about carbs!

And this one was full of great topics! Other topics: the announcement of an Unbreakable 2 documentary heading into Western States, Kilian Jornet's sustained dominance since the first Unbreakable was filmed, the 1-year anniversary of the bike crash, Tailwind High-Carb, our questions about protein recommendations, increased power and weight in professional cycling, torpedo bats dominating the conversation in baseball, mile times of the Houston basketball team, VO2 max estimates from your watch across different sports, nutrition on race week, the "yips" in running, balancing intensity with cross training, maintaining confidence when changing jobs, overdressed walking for heat training, and balancing training with studying for the bar exam.

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0:00.0	Woohoo. Welcome to the Some Work All Play podcast. We are so happy with you today. Happy Tuesday. It's Tuesday. And I'm feeling like wearing some white shorts on this Tuesday. Oh my gosh. Are you talking about white spandex shorts? Yeah. Do you think I'm talking about Killian?
0:13.8	I think you're talking about Killian. Okay. So for those that don't know, there was this amazing documentary that came out maybe 2010, 2011, called Unbreakable. It's the
0:21.8	preeminent ultra documentary ever made on the Western States race between Anton Kripichka,
0:27.2	Jeff Rose, Killinge, and Howe Corner. Granted, how far that we've come in high definition
0:32.2	filming? It looks like it came out in like 1990. It's insane. Seeing something from 2010 looks like
0:37.2	it's 1940. But they just announced
0:41.0	they're doing the same filmmakers in conjunction with Free Trail, Unbreakable 2. I am so excited.
0:47.6	And from a narrative perspective, do you think green shorts are going to be the new white shorts
0:51.7	for Unbreakable 3? We'll see. We'll see. So in that first documentary, for those that have never seen it, you should probably
0:56.3	watch it.
0:56.7	You can watch it on like 1.5 speed.
0:58.1	That's what I did.
0:59.3	Because, you know, sometimes I'm an impatient boy.
1:03.1	But in that documentary, Killian, as a very, very young man, like 20 years old, was wearing
1:07.9	Bun Hugger white spandex shorts and they became iconic because not only is it
1:13.1	Killian who would go on to become the goat it's remarkable that he's still doing as well as he did
1:17.7	well he had to describe the rest of the outfit too he was also kind of wearing like kind of like a
1:21.4	cycling racing jersey on top that was I believe it was like short sleeve or almost like sleveless
1:26.5	cycling racing jersey I liked it yeah but I sleeve or almost like sleeveless cycling racing jersey. I
1:27.5	liked it. Yeah. But I mean, white spandex is ambitious in a race when you're going to be wet the
1:32.7	whole time. A hundred miles. Granted, I feel like an unbreakable one, they were not wet very often.
1:37.5	That's true. It's a product. Our sports science has come a long ways. It's come a long ways. And it's going to be fascinating to see what happens because now they're actually profiling,
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