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The Cult of Pedagogy Podcast

252: Where Discipline Reform Has Gone Wrong (in Some Schools)

The Cult of Pedagogy Podcast

Jennifer Gonzalez

Education, Teaching, Instruction, Classroommanagement, Educationreform

4.82.4K Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

While the shift to restorative practices should be improving student behavior, that's not happening in every school. Some teachers say the discipline systems at their schools have completely broken down, creating an environment where students do whatever they want with no consequences. This has made teachers feel frustrated, angry, unsupported, and in some cases, unsafe. What has gone wrong? In this episode, I have an in-depth conversation about this issue with restorative justice educator bink jones and trauma-informed educator Alex Shevrin Venet. Both educators are well aware that restorative practices are getting a bad rap for all the wrong reasons, they unequivocally validate the frustrations teachers are experiencing, and they explain what they think is going wrong in schools that aren't seeing good results from this framework. They offer a path forward for educators who are desperate for a healthy, respectful, productive climate in their schools.


Thanks to ExploreLearning and Listenwise for sponsoring this episode.


To read a full transcript of this episode and find links to related resources, visit cultofpedagogy.com/discipline-reform.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is Jennifer Gonzalez, welcoming you to episode 252 of the Cult of Pedagogy podcast.

0:05.8

In this episode, we're going to explore some of the reasons discipline reform isn't working in some schools.

0:29.4

Something has gone wrong in the way many schools are handling student behavior, and we need to talk about it.

0:35.3

I have been part of a larger push for discipline reform for nearly a decade now.

0:39.1

I have promoted approaches to student behavior that prioritize things like relationship and community building, repairing harm, trauma-informed teaching,

0:45.7

centering the voices of marginalized students, and reducing or eliminating exclusionary punishments.

0:53.1

Many of these practices can comfortably fall within the larger category

0:57.2

of restorative justice, an approach to conflict resolution with indigenous roots that is

1:03.1

becoming more common in schools every year. While this should be a positive development,

1:09.2

a shift that results in improved behavior in every school

1:12.0

that moves in that direction. That's not what's happening in every school. For a few years now,

1:18.0

I've been hearing from teachers in various spaces that the discipline systems at their schools

1:22.7

have completely broken down, creating an environment where students basically do whatever they want with no

1:29.0

consequences. This has made teachers feel frustrated, angry, unsupported, and in some cases, unsafe.

1:38.0

In at least some of these schools, what I think is happening is that leadership has gotten a broad

1:43.8

restorative justice light message

1:46.4

that suspensions are bad, that in fact any consequences at all are now taboo, and teachers should

1:54.3

stop sending students to the office for behavior issues. In the rare circumstances when teachers

2:00.2

do find this necessary, the student in question

2:03.3

should be given a snack and sent back to class. This is not at all what restorative practices

2:10.1

are supposed to look like, so it's no wonder this approach isn't working. To get a clearer

2:16.7

picture of how widespread this problem is,

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