Hey, everybody. We have a great one today. And this time, I really, really mean it. And I'm serious. I have

Lori Garrett, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who's been writing about infectious diseases for decades and decades.

And she's just amazing and

Andy Slavitt is on with her you know Andy he's the former head of Medicare and

Medicaid and the whole podcast is basically on the vaccine the vaccine which

many of us fully expect Trump to announce and release sometime in late October.

And we discuss every aspect of that. And it's a pretty chilling discussion in a variety of ways.

But I'm serious, you know, for a change, this is one you are really, really going to want to listen to.

It's been quite a couple of weeks just before I taped this part of my podcast last week.

We learned the stuff about Trump calling the men and women in the military,

especially those wounded or captured,

call them losers and suckers.

And of course, this was no big surprise to most of us,

because in 2015, Trump famously called John McCain a loser

and said he was only a war hero because he got captured. I guess what Trump

didn't understand is that less than a year into his five and a half years in captivity at the

Hanoy Hilton, he was offered early release by the North Vietnamese so they could get a propaganda victory. You see,

McCain's father was an admiral and had command of Pacific forces. So if McCain, who was being

tortured and starved, had taken early release before other prisoners who had been there longer,

well, then it would have been a big propaganda victory for the North Vietnamese,

and McCain knew that. He chose to stay, and he was there for another four and a half years.

That's a hero. That's a hero.

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