This happens to rock stars and professional athletes and famous people and CEOs because what happens is they start to believe the lie that they're special and they deserve special treatment and that they're wonderful because people tell them what they want to hear, they laugh at their jokes louder, and they praise them.

And while it's not always fake, it's often exaggerated and it's easy for any leader to start to believe this stuff.

Welcome to At the Table, the podcast that lives at the intersection of culture, teamwork, organizational health, and leadership.

I'm your host, Pat Linchone,

joined by my trustee co-host Cody Thompson in Utah today. How you doing, Cody? I love it when

you throw the word trustee in there, Pat. Makes me feel extra special. So thank you. Well, we took about an

hour preparing for this podcast today. We had quite the interesting conversation about it. And it's going to be

an interesting podcast, I think. What's the topic, Cody? Leadership lessons from the kiss cam.

That's right. We are going to go back. Now that the firestorm in the media and in social media has

kind of passed from the Coldplay concert kiss cam incident, We wanted to take kind of a sober view of this

and talk about lessons for leaders and organizations because in spite of all the memes and the

jokes, this is really a tragic, tragic situation for two families at least and for a company, to a lesser

extent. And there's some things that probably need to be talked about that leaders need to hear

because leaders are more susceptible to these kinds of problems than others. And that's what we're

going to talk about today. Yeah, I would I would say my primary emotion when

I saw that on social media was just sadness, like for the family, for the people involved,

for the marriage. And so to the extent that we can have a conversation that intersects between

life and work and leadership that would prevent or help people sort of see this coming and prevent them from engaging in

anything that would wind up on a kiss cam. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, if one person avoids this

because of that, it's worth it. Let me save right off the bat. We're going to focus on the CEO.

We realized two executives were involved, and the fact that one was in HR, it makes it all the more

salacious and interesting from a corporate perspective. But this could be a man or a woman

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