Hello and welcome to the Katie Helper show. On today's show I interview

Shahid Bhutar, a constitutional lawyer and activist who is running against

Nancy Pelosi. Make sure you become Patreon supporters at Patreon.com

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Patreon.com slash the Katie helper show again that's Patreon com slash the Katie helper show. Thanks so much. So thank you so

much for talking to me. We talked to you on useful idiots, the podcast that I co-host with Matt Taibi.

And I wanted to have more of a chance to talk to you

because your story, your politics are so interesting

and your campaign, yeah. But also your personal story. interesting and I also got some questions from Twitter from people who wanted to ask you stuff.

So tell us though first about how your like personal story

affected your or influenced your politics?

I mean, I guess for me, I'd really located

in a couple different experiences.

Immigration is one.

My family moved across the world twice.

The first time to flee religious discrimination in Pakistan were part of a sect of

Islam that is reviled as heretical in Muslim countries. We're sort of like the

Unitarian Universalists of Islam and we acknowledge wisdom from lots of different traditions, and that is enough to make

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