But we're not big budget but we are big network trackers or I lose I am I could fit at work I check it once a month

Because again I just like to see where we're going it's been a big thing for me the network thing has been huge for me because there's been back when we first

started this journey I didn't have a network template if you will and I would always

wonder like are we moving up or moving down I don't really know I feel like I'm

just kind of treading water then when the network template came around,

now I can say, okay, we went up, we went down, I can see where we're going well, not well, something

like that.

You're listening to the Millionaires Unvealed Podcast, where you'll hear the stories and interviews

of everyday millionaires. We'll unveil their decisions, their strategies and

and their current portfolio allocation.

Now to your hosts, Clark Sheffield and Jace Matinson.

Welcome to Millionaires and failed podcast. This is episode number 245.

This week we've got a wonderful episode. We have Alan. He's in his mid-40s.

He's a therapist working in administration now and his wife is a nurse.

His net worth hovering around $1 million depending on the market fluctuations,

mostly between real estate with a couple rentals and personal residence and then some stocks and equities.

One really unique thing we discuss with him

is doing a Roth conversion ladder.

In fact, he already has kind of started this,

even though well away from years of retirement.

So, real interesting topic we get into discussion with him

and doing that, paying the tax now versus later and his kind of mindset around

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