Radio Manu, Papa Tzango.

Can I just leave uh

Yeah, I'm back.

Dr. Christopher Ryan here, the doctor being largely a joke, but still, uh, there's a guy here today that you're going to hear.

Adi Jaffee, very cool guy. Man, my chair is noisy. Listen to that shit. Jesus Christ. Somebody oil this thing.

Anyway, Adi Jaffee is an addiction specialist who comes out from a unique perspective, which we get into.

The very interesting guy, he had his own issues with addiction and to the extent that these issues are lifelong, which some people believe.

He has his own issues with addiction, but you know, the tradition of the wounded healer goes way back.

And you might even say that any healer who hasn't been wounded really isn't quite qualified.

So I think it's, uh, it's wonderful that he comes at this, um, from a place of personal experience, having faced these challenges himself, having found his way out of the maze that he's trying to help other people out of.

You know, I, I look at healers as being similar to lifeguards, particularly when it's, uh, behavioral mental health stuff, psychiatrist, psychologist, addiction, specialist, social workers.

These are all people who are trying to help you when you get caught in an undertow. You get caught up in something. You think you're out there swimming around in the way is having a good time.

And next thing you know, you're being pulled out to see and you start to get desperate and you start to feel weak and you start to panic.

And that's when you turn to the shore and you fucking hope there's somebody there who sees what's going on who can help you.

Now there are two kinds of healers.

There are, and they're both well intentioned. I don't mean this is a criticism of anyone, but there are those who stand on the beach and yell instructions.

Swim across the current.

It's hard to hear them though when you're out there, even if you do hear them, it's hard to do what they say.

Or maybe they throw you a life preserver. Maybe it lands near you, but you're too weak to swim to it.

Or maybe you grab onto it, but you hold onto it, you just keep drifting further out to see.

That's your, that's the most common kind of healer. But then there's another kind of healer, very rare, but they do exist.

And those are the kind who are equivalent to the lifeguard who dives in and swims out to you, puts their own life at risk, puts their own happiness, their own welfare at risk in order to help other people.

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