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Bad People

24. Missing Little Princess: Can we detect high-stakes lies?

Bad People

BBC

True Crime

4.41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 29 April 2021

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

On the 19th February 2008, nine-year-old Shannon Matthews went missing in Dewsbury in West Yorkshire. She had just been dropped off by a coach at her school which was just half a mile from her home. Shannon’s best friend said her brother was supposed to be collecting her but he never turned up. Shannon’s mum Karen reported her missing later that evening. The Police moved quickly for fear that she had been abducted. Emotional TV appeals by her mother, Karen, soon followed. At one stage, up to 250 officers and 60 detectives and half the UK’s Police sniffer dogs were involved in the search – making it at one time, one of the largest investigations since the Yorkshire Ripper case 30 years earlier. As the search grew more frantic, suspicion started to fall on her family. First on Karen’s boyfriend and then on Karen herself. In this episode, Julia and Sofie talk about the disappearance of Shannon Matthews, the issue of social class and victimhood and research by Dr Leanne ten Brinke on analysing videos of pleaders to see if it is possible to detect high-stakes lies. Warning: This episode contains strong language and references to murder, child abduction and suicide. Presenters: Dr. Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen Producer: Paula McGrath Assistant Producer: Simona Rata Artwork: Kingsley Nebechi Music: Matt Chandler Series Editor: Rami Tzabar Academic Consultants for The Open University: Dr. Zoe Walkington Dr. Camilla Elphick Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins Commissioning Editor: Jason Phipps Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds #BadPeople_BBC

Transcript

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0:00.0

Before you listen to this BBC podcast, I'd like to introduce myself.

0:03.7

My name's Stevie Middleton and I'm a BBC Commissioner for a load of sport podcasts.

0:08.4

I'm lucky to do that at the BBC because I get to work with a leading journalist, experienced

0:12.2

pundits and the biggest sport stars.

0:14.3

Together we bring you untold stories and fascinating insights straight from the players'

0:18.5

mouths.

0:19.5

But the best thing about doing this at the BBC is our unique access to the sport world.

0:25.0

What that means is that we can bring you podcasts that create a real connection to

0:28.8

dedicated sports fans across the UK.

0:31.0

So if you like this podcast, head over to BBC Sounds where you'll find plenty more.

0:58.8

On today's episode, the case that triggered one of the biggest ever police investigations

1:02.4

in the UK and whether there was any way that we could have spotted the massive lie behind

1:07.7

it any sooner.

1:08.7

I'm Dr Julia Shaw, Criminal Psychologist.

1:10.9

And I'm Sophie Hagen, Stand Up comedian.

1:13.8

Please note that this episode contains references to child abuse, neglect and potentially some

1:18.9

strong language.

1:20.0

This is Bad People.

1:24.5

The West Yorkshire Police now fear that nine-year-old Shannon Matthews was snatched from the streets

1:30.5

of Jewsbury.

1:33.1

What police say quite categorically that due to the number of resources they've had on

1:37.4

the streets day and night that if the little girl was hiding, they would have found her.

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