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So what did you think about the whole UFO thing before you got in office?

So I actually had, when I was stationed at Portland Air National Guard, my job there was an airfield

manager, so I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit. And so there had

been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the Guard.

And I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it, and I was like, what was that?

And they're like, eh, we can't really talk about it. No one really wanted to address it. And so from what I'd gathered, that had been likely a UAP. And so that kind of was my perspective. Granted, I also grew up in the generation of the X-Files. And, you know, I don't know if you remember 94 Independence Day. So like, for me specifically,

I didn't look at it with like a crazy lens in perspective. I'm like, you know, you never know, we're the only ones out there essentially. But why did you assume that if it's a top secret and courage and that he couldn't talk about that it wasn't just a military craft from another country? Because of the way that he was discussing it.

How did he, what do you say?

So he had been, he, it wasn't just a military craft from another country? Because of the way that he was discussing it. How did he what he said?

So he had been, he didn't want to, from what I gather, get taken off flight status.

And he's like, I really can't discuss it.

We couldn't really like identify it essentially.

And it had outperformed them.

And so that was my first, from a military perspective, kind of experience with someone who basically, you know, there's a stigma within the flight community.

Do you want to lose your security clearance?

What, you know, is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career?

But doesn't he have instrumentation on his jet?

Well, at the time, right?

So it was an older platform, but he really didn't want to even talk about it.

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