What's up everybody? This is Cortland from AndyHackers.com and you're listening to the

NDHackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of money

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I'm here with Matt Winseng, serial entrepreneur, and currently the founder of Summit.

Matt, welcome to the show.

Hey, thanks, Cortland. Yeah, thanks for coming on.

I was reading through some of your tweets recently, and I saw this pattern of you sort of holding,

let's say, successful entrepreneurs to a standard of intellectual honesty, as I think the way

that you put in. And so there was this tweet you had about Justin, sweet that Justin Con had, where he was like, I'm going to tell you why storytelling is all about, you know, the only thing you need to start a successful startup. And you're like, bro, your story is you went to Yale, you went to YC, exit a company for like a billion dollars. Of course investors gave you a lot of money. That's not a story anybody can tell.

I mean, full credit for the first stepping stones of that journey. Like, everybody comes,

in theory, from very little. But by the time you have the billion, maybe the 400 million

you raised after that, maybe you should discount that a little bit, you know, just to throw a little

bone to this few people here. It's an interesting phenomenon because even having a podcast and talking to lots of people, I think, like when you're sitting in the chair and there's an audience listening, you're trying to give advice. Like, you don't want to say, you know what, you can't do what I did. There's no way you can do what I did. I had a special advantage and that's what it boils down to. Like,

you want to be able to like share tips and things that people can actually follow, but that

might lead you to say things that like sort of ignore your unique advantages. Yeah, we're all

guilty of this. I mean, I am as well. Second time entrepreneur, I came into the second business

with advantages. I just want us to somehow acknowledge those.

And I realize you can't preface every tweet or statement with this whole preamble that gets

very, like it's irritating fast. You know, but, you know, if you're going to, I mean,

honestly, though, it's like the bigger your platform the higher your

pulpit like the higher the standard i feel like it's at least come back to that now and then you know

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