The following is a conversation with Michael Minna, his second time on the podcast.

He's a professor at Harvard doing research on infectious disease and immunology.

In my view, the most powerful, doable, and obvious solution to COVID-19 from the very beginning

is rapid at home testing. This is what Michael has been talking about and writing about since the

beginning of the pandemic. The accuracy of these tests is high for the task of detecting contagious

business, which is what matters. Hundreds of millions can be manufactured quickly and relatively

cheaply, privacy and individual freedoms are preserved. I believe that if you give people the

power of information, information about whether they are contagious or not, they will do the right

thing at scale, all while respecting their freedom and minimizing the destructive effects of the

pandemic on our health and our economy. The solution was obvious in May of 2020. It was obvious when

Michael and I spoke the first time a year ago and it is obvious today. We talk about why it has

not yet been done and how we can still do it. And now a quick few seconds summary of the sponsors.

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