Hello lovely humans I'm Wai O'Lee and you are listening to sex stories a

podcast where we gain knowledge and inspiration from each other's expertise

so we can all live lives that turn us on.

Our guests today are a partnered Polly couple who have been together for five years.

She is a 59-year-old educator, creator of events, and minister in training with over 20 years

of counseling experience who facilitates self-acceptance, problem-solving, and healing.

He is a counselor, consultant, and end-of-life Dula who has over a decade of experience as a professional

dominant and who has developed non-traditional sexual behavior counseling geared

towards self actualization and dismantling shame. From the Kink Collective in

NYC welcome Cat and Joshua dismantling shame from the King Collective in NYC.

Welcome, Kat and Joshua.

Thank you so much for having us on.

I'm so excited to talk to you.

Can you each start off by telling us, today if you had to rate yourself on a sexual

shame a meter with 10 being so full of sexual shame and one being like, nah I'm good.

Where do you fall right now and has it ever fluctuated? I would say about a two or three because I'm sure there's

things that my body hasn't given myself permission for yet that I'm still trying to dig out and the person or people I'm with absolutely matters too, not more so being

shameful of who I am, but them being able to receive what I am. At the risk of sounding flip I just want to say one. It hasn't always been that way but I don't have shame around myself, my sexuality, the people I like I just don't. It wasn't always that way, but it has been that way for a while.

Do you feel comfy taking us through the like what like leveled it out for you?

Because I really, I meet a lot of one on the

shame of meters and sometimes I think I'm that and then I get into these situations

and I'm like I can't even talk about it so like what have you noticed in your shame

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