23. Blue Lips: Does good cop / bad cop actually work?

Bad People

BBC

True Crime

4.4 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2021

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

On the 22nd of April 1972, the police in the southeast London borough of Lewisham were alerted to a house fire on Doggett Road. On the second floor of the building, they discovered the body of 26-year-old Maxwell Confait. Three boys later confessed to the murder. In this episode of Bad People, Dr. Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen examine what went wrong in the police interviewing process, the major legal reforms that followed and their implications for police practices in the UK today. We also hear from Dr. Zoe Walkington of The Open University on what it’s like to train detectives and does the ‘good cop, bad cop’ style of interviewing ever work? Warning: This episode contains strong language and references to murder and suicide. Presenters: Dr. Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen Producer: Simona Rata Artwork: Kingsley Nebechi Music: Matt Chandler Series Editor: Rami Tzabar Academic Consultants for The Open University: Dr. Zoe Walkington Dr. Camilla Elphick Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins Commissioning Editor: Jason Phipps Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds #BadPeople_BBC

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0:00.0	Before you listen to this BBC podcast, I'd like to introduce myself.
0:03.7	My name's Stevie Middleton and I'm a BBC Commissioner for a load of sport podcasts.
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0:12.2	pundits and the biggest sport stars.
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0:40.2	Sophie, if you were conducting a police interrogation, would you rather be the good cop or the bad cop?
0:47.3	Well, Julia, as you may know, as you may have picked up on, I don't work well with others.
0:53.2	So I think I would take on the role of both and just sort of switch between them whenever,
0:58.2	but you know, just be like, come on, just tell us everything, it'll be okay, okay?
1:03.1	You punk.
1:04.1	And then, I mean, imagine how scary it would be.
1:06.0	Yes, it would work.
1:07.0	It would be like you have multiple personalities.
1:09.5	All in one.
1:10.5	Yeah, I think it would work.
1:11.5	I think it would work.
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