229 - Paul Kingsnorth - Civilization and Control

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.8 • 824 Ratings

🗓️ 12 April 2022

⏱️ 78 minutes

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This is my second conversation with Paul Kingsnorth where we talk about his brilliant substack, called The Abbey of Misrule, civilization and control, the power of the state and our technological systems, the matrix, politics, what it takes for communities to survive, our relationship to technology and how we should orient ourselves in the coming trials. Our previous conversation: Environmentalism, the Tower of Babel and the Disintegration of Culture | with Paul Kingsnorth: https://youtu.be/uqDWGdJJx1Y St. Basil’s School of Writing: https://www.stbasilwriting.com Paul Kingsnorth’s work: - Website: https://www.paulkingsnorth.net/ - Substack: The Abbey of Misrule: https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/ - Novel: Alexandria by Paul Kingsnorth: https://www.amazon.com/Alexandria-Novel-Paul-Kingsnorth/dp/1644450356 ============================ Thank you to Nicolás Hernández Moreno for creating this version of the intro music. ============================ Original video: https://youtu.be/QetAHfg7w8s - The Symbolic World website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com - Merch: http://www.thesymbolicworld.store - Language of Creation, by Matthieu Pageau: https://www.amazon.com/Language-Creation-Cosmic-Symbolism-Genesis-ebook/dp/B07D738HD8 Support this podcast: - Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/support/ - Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos - Subscribestar: https://www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau - Paypal: http://www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau Join the conversation: - Unofficial Facebook discussion group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1989208418065298/ - The Symbolic World Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSymbolicWorld/ Social media links: - Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld - Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau

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0:00.0	It might even be, if you want to talk about it kind of mystically or spiritually, that we can
0:04.7	somehow sense this thing being born around us, and that's part of the confusion of the moment.
0:08.6	Yeah. Something else is in control at this point, and it isn't really us anymore. These systems
0:14.4	have outrun us, you know, the machine is much bigger than us, and to some degree, it's starting
0:20.4	to not need us as much as we thought it did.
0:51.4	This is Jonathan Peschel. this is jonathan pecho welcome to the symbolic world i mean obviously following your newsletter uh just overjoyed getting it every time and so I was hoping that
0:57.8	we could talk a little bit about your project right now and what you're doing because I think
1:01.4	when we talked last time you hadn't yet started um yeah I think I was just kind of yeah
1:07.2	or maybe just starting maybe yeah I think I was just starting but I wasn't sure where it was going to go.
1:12.3	And it's still not quite sure where it's going.
1:15.6	I'm more or less no.
1:16.8	But yeah, it's been really interesting, actually.
1:19.8	And, you know, the world has changed so much like we just said.
1:22.8	Exactly.
1:23.1	In a year, it's like trying to, half the challenge is just keeping up with what the hell's going on.
1:28.2	Yeah, yeah, and doing it.
1:29.4	You're very wise not to talk about current affairs much.
1:31.8	And staying in touch with knowing what's going on and then letting it not totally suck you into.
1:38.0	Yeah, that's the big challenge.
1:39.7	Yeah.
1:40.2	I mean, I think you're very wise, not engage in current affairs very much on your channel, actually.
1:46.0	It's the way it's the way to do it.
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