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Some Work, All Play

227. Javelina 100 Training, Science Debate on REDs, Long Zone 2 Efforts, Tadej Pogacar's World-Domination Strategy, and Strava AI!

Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Sports, Running

4.81.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2024

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

We made loud grunting noises to celebrate recording this great episode! A primary training discussion was on putting the finishing touches on the quick build for the Javelina 100 Miler. It's getting very, very real. Confidence is rising, and falling, and falling some more, then rising again. We bring you into the process to feel just how hard it all can be at times for athletes of all levels. Prepare to grunt.

But the main topic ventured into an area we usually avoid: heated debates. A recent article went semi-viral in the sports science world with a provocative title: "Does Relative Energy Deficiency in Sport (REDs) Syndrome Exist?" While the article does have important points, we think those points are obscured by a title and supporting thesis that don't pass muster relative to what's seen and experienced in the real world. The researchers brought some hot fire in their title, and we aim to do the same as a counterpoint.

And this one was full of fascinating topics! Other topics: why steep downhills may be important for fatigue resistance even in flatter races, pushing back endurance limits via very hard workouts, ultra spreadsheet creation, Tadej Pogacar's appearance on Peter Attia's podcast, Zone 2 training, how heart rate training needs to be feel-based, fueling levels based on intensity, an important new study on carb oxidation changes based on body size, our thoughts on Strava AI, the Houston basketball team doing fast mile runs, notes from the pro biking peloton, Courtney Dauwalter's domination, a study on VO2 max that points out how hard science can be, and a beautiful listener corner message.

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0:00.0

We are so happy with you today.

0:05.0

Happy Tuesday.

0:06.0

It's Tuesday.

0:07.0

And it's slowest known time over here on this Tuesday.

0:10.0

Slowest known times.

0:11.0

SKT, what is that referring to? you had an SKT this morning a pretty

0:14.8

epic SKT of coming down the stairs in the morning do you realize that well

0:20.5

SKT skit skit skit sk like my little John friends out there. Yeah, I didn't realize it was that slow. Was it really, really bad?

0:27.7

It was gingerly one at a time. There were some noises involved, it's kind of just like grunts and some just like,

0:35.9

I don't know, some hints of dismayal

0:37.3

as you were coming down the stairs, and it was slow.

0:39.4

Yeah, very, very slow.

0:40.6

I feel like these weekends where I do a little bit more vert, we call them to just say no to

0:45.2

Rabdo weekends where even though I'm doing a flatter race I want to get big, steep eccentric

0:50.4

contractions into my legs, helps fatigue resistance, helps prevent excessive muscle breakdown.

0:55.1

But I haven't really done much since Leadville, and I am a wreck right now.

0:58.4

My blood is a toxic waste dump. It is pretty nasty here.

1:03.2

Well I'm curious because I feel like we have actually some discussions ahead about like

1:06.7

different metrics and recovery metrics and things like that. And do you feel like

1:10.3

SKT has a like, you know, do you think feel like it's associated with your HRV or resting

1:15.8

heart it interestingly no no really yeah the breakdown doesn't really seem to be

1:20.0

associated so this morning my resting heart rate was 37 which is right in the

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