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The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish

#221 Bruce Flatt on Value, Discipline, and Durability

The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish

Farnam Street

Business, Investing, Entrepreneurship

4.72.9K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2025

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

Brookfield CEO Bruce Flatt reveals the investment philosophy behind building one of the world's largest alternative asset managers with over a trillion dollars under management.  At the core of Brookfield's strategy is a disciplined focus on downside protection that has delivered 19% annualized returns over 30 years. Flatt identifies three major trends driving their investments: digitalization (including AI infrastructure), global energy transition, and reindustrialization as supply chains shift. The conversation explores Brookfield's approach to risk management, their expansion into insurance, and their meritocratic culture. When Shane presses for clarity on Brookfield's complex corporate structure, Flatt provides rare insights into how the organization's design creates both operational flexibility and investment opportunities.  What separates Brookfield from competitors? Patient capital: the discipline to wait for extraordinary opportunities and the financial strength to act when others can't.  If you want to understand how the smartest capital allocators think and what it takes to build something enduring, this episode is essential listening.  Thanks to these sponsors for supporting our show:  NordVPN: EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ nordvpn.com/KNOWLEDGEPROJECT. Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee  Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at shopify.com/shane. All lowercase. ShipStation: Get a 60-day free trial at www.shipstation.com/knowledgeproject. The opinions shared on this podcast belong solely to those expressing them. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the securities discussed. This podcast is intended to provide general information only and should not be considered financial advice.  (00:02:56) Changes in Investing Over the Past 25 Years (00:04:51) How Private Enterprise Has Built Our Tech Infrastructure (00:07:08) Implications and Opportunities of Passive Investing (00:09:08) Advantages of Private Companies (00:12:36) Three Investment Themes (00:15:11) Winners in Digitalization (00:16:45) Application of Artificial Intelligence in Businesses (00:21:44) Transition to Low-Carbon Energy (00:25:24) Future of Data Centers (00:27:32) De-globalization of Industry (00:29:59) Implications of Manufacturing Repatriation (00:31:11) Long-term Prospects for America (00:36:20) Approach to Risk and Debt (00:37:48) Impact of Interest Rates (00:40:47) Managing Market Dislocations (00:42:30) Long-term Investing Strategy (00:45:06) History and Future of Brookfield (00:47:55) Exploration of Private Markets and Insurance (00:48:48) Investment Decision Process (00:55:18) Understanding Brookfield's Structure (00:59:40) Positioning of Brookfield's Businesses (01:00:21) Talent and People Management at Brookfield (01:02:58) Focus on Downside Protection (01:05:03) Accountability in Investment Decisions (01:06:32) Understanding Investment Cycles (01:08:14) Learning and Training in the Organization (01:09:06) Postmortem Analysis of Investments (01:11:14) Consideration of Geopolitical Risks Newsletter - The Brain Food newsletter delivers actionable insights and thoughtful ideas every Sunday. It takes 5 minutes to read, and it’s completely free. Learn more and sign up at fs.blog/newsletter Upgrade — If you want to hear my thoughts and reflections at the end of the episode, join our membership: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠fs.blog/membership⁠⁠ and get your own private feed. Watch on YouTube: @tkppodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The fundamentals of investing hasn't changed at all. Buying great things or great businesses,

0:05.6

holding for long periods of time, earning cash returns. What's changed is the environment around it.

0:12.0

The whole backbone of the world is changing. Behind your phone or your computer, you can have this

0:18.7

podcast on your cell phone and go for run in the morning. How that gets

0:22.5

delivered to you is data center storing it, fiber delivering it to you, going to a tower and

0:29.9

bringing it down to your phone wireless. And all of that needs enormous amounts of infrastructure,

0:35.4

and all of that is built by private enterprise.

0:46.3

50% of the backbone of what we own today did not exist as an asset class for investment 20 years ago.

0:49.4

Well, you have over a trillion dollars in management now.

0:51.8

It sounds like a lot of money.

0:53.6

It is a lot of money.

0:54.9

It's a trillion dollars.

0:58.0

But it's not that much when you do what we do.

1:08.4

Welcome to the Knowledge Project.

1:10.5

I'm your host, Shane Parrish. In a world where knowledge is power,

1:12.7

this podcast is your toolkit for mastering the best of what other people have already figured out.

1:20.4

If you want to take your learning to the next level, consider joining our membership program at

1:25.1

fs.blog slash membership. As a member, you'll get my personal reflections at the end of every episode, early access

1:32.6

to episodes, no ads, including this, exclusive content, hand-edited transcripts, and so much

1:38.5

more. Check out the link in the show notes for more. Most investors see markets as a race to

1:43.9

outperform every quarter.

1:45.7

Our guest today, however, sees them as a marathon measured in decades. As CEO of Brookfield

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