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#218: Forensically Deconstructing Jeffrey Epstein Part 11

Real Crime Profile

Real Crime Profile / Wondery

True Crime, Society & Culture, Exhibit C, Documentary

4.210.5K Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2019

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Laura, Jim and Lisa discuss Epstein's behaviour and what their Psychopathy Checklist Revisited (PCL-R) checklist assessment of Epstein means.

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#EpsteinCoverUp

#ChildSexTrafficking

#VicitmsMatter


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0:00.0

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0:07.0

Was there any way for you to escape?

0:09.0

Like I said, once that door shut, I didn't know where it was.

0:13.0

And this man's presence was so intimidating that even if I had tried to, I don't think that I could have.

0:23.0

I don't think that I could have.

0:26.0

It's hard to talk about just in retrospect.

0:31.0

But when you realize in the moment, you know, we talk about fight or flight, you know, when you're threatened.

0:37.0

A lot of times you don't talk about the third element of that, which is freeze, which is the most common.

0:42.0

And when you freeze, you don't know how to process what's going on right now.

0:55.0

The most disgusting, he wasn't mean or anything, but he got up and he said thanks and walked out.

1:17.0

I sat there in bed just horrified and ashamed and felt dirty and I had to get up and go have a shower.

1:25.0

The next day, he then tells me I did a really good job.

1:29.0

It was a wicked time in my life. It was a really scary time in my life.

1:34.0

I had just been abused by a member of a royal family.

1:38.0

So when you talk about these chains, you know, yeah, it wasn't chains who think, but these powerful people were my chains.

1:46.0

I didn't know what could happen.

1:49.0

And I just didn't, I couldn't comprehend how on the highest levels of the government and powerful people were allowing this to happen, not only allowing it to happen, but participating in it.

2:05.0

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clemente, Guitar Dept.

2:09.0

The FBI Profile Reformer, New York City prosecutor and writer producer of CBS's Criminal Minds with me today is Laura Riches, Criminal Behavioral Analyst, former New Scotland Yard and founder of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service.

2:20.0

And I'm Lisa Zambetti, casting director for CBS's Criminal Minds.

2:24.0

In last week's episode, we calculated Jeffrey Epstein score Dr. Robert's hair, psychopathy checklist.

2:30.0

He finished with a score of at least 35 out of 40, clearly high enough to be considered a psychopath.

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