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Hello and welcome back to the Marriage Be Hard podcast.

I am your host Melissa.

I'm Kevin Fredericks.

And that we host this podcast that was birthed from our book Marriage Be Hard.

Which was a New York Times best seller arrow.

You should definitely go get it.

Because there's like really great words of wisdom.

There's comedy. There's fun. There's all the things.

But this podcast we sit and we talk about or talk about.

We talk to people and couples that we know that are in our orbit.

About love, about relationships, about things that they have learned.

Gems, they drop wisdoms. And oftentimes, yes, I said wisdoms because it comes with the S.

And oftentimes that comes with a good time and laughter as well.

So today, we have a very special couple that Kevin and I have followed since their girls were we little.

But was taken over all of the internet, inner webs with their cute personalities.

And that is no none other than Justin and Ami McClure.

You may know them as the parents of Eva Alexa and Alexis and Jersey.

And the McClure twins.

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