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Achtung, Achtung, welcome to We Have Ways of Making You Talk with me, Al-Mari and James Holland.

And we're in our Thanksgiving week of specials of talking to people from across the pond.

And we've got a doozy for you today, James. Introduce our guest, please.

We have Michelle Parady, who is a internationally renowned human rights lawyer.

So in good company with Philippe Sans, a friend of the pod, as we all know.

He also teaches law at Columbia Law School. And he is also the author of the last mission to Tokyo, which is a fantastic book.

And it's all about, it's not, well, it's partly about the doozy little raid, which is one of the most iconic and famous air raids of the war.

Launched in April 1942 against the Japanese.

But it's about so much more than that, because what happened to those poor guys, once they'd taken off from their aircraft carrier,

done the mission, then where do they go? Well, some of them ended up in China, some of them ended up being captured by the Japanese.

And let's say you didn't really want to be a prisoner of the Japanese in World War II.

So that is what the book is about.

And it just goes so much further than the raid itself.

And it sort of creeps into the post war and kind of recriminations and, you know, shenanigans and hunting down the perpetrators and all sorts of stuff.

So anyway, you're very welcome, Michelle. And thank you for that.

Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. Very good company with Philippe Sans.

I hope he is not insulted by that gig of Harrison.

Philippe can soak up anything. I wouldn't worry about it. Even if he were, we'd never know.

So Michelle, how did you get into this story of the two little raid men and what happened to them after the raid?

Really? Because as James says, the raid, the raid so often in the telling of the hot history of the Second World War, is a landmark moment.

It's America, you know, returning fire and so on and all that sort of thing.

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