attention is more valuable than capital. Can VCs become influencers faster than like native

influencer like Jake and Logan can become VCs? I just hang out with Trump and like the, I go on

stage and do a speech off the top. And the first thing he says to me on stage when I turn around is,

oh, you're going to run for office someday. And like, then I, we go backstage and he's like,

you should be the president. And then he like, then we go backstage and he's like, you should be the

president. And then he like endorses me. I think he is arguably one of the best presidents the

United States has had in this term. Money buys freedom. And I think freedom makes people happy.

This is 20 VC with me, Harry Stebbings, and today we have such a different one for you.

Jake Poole, one of the most recognizable people on the planet, is in the studio, baby.

He's here with his partner, Jeffrey Wu.

What you don't know about Jake, he's probably one of the best investors of the last few years

with his fund, the anti-fund.

They've backed the lights of ramp, cognition, chronosphere, and many others.

And this is a show unlike any that Jake has done before, ranging from politics to parenting

to the next generation of great investments.

This was a fascinating discussion, revealing aside to Jake that I don't think many people have seen before.

But before we dive into the show today, here's a question for any founder listening.

What would your marketing team do with an extra 30 hours a week?

That's roughly what teams get back when they stop manually building every campaign, every workflow, every email.

Right now your best marketing people

are spending their day's cloning templates, configuring audience segments, and chasing data across

systems. That's not what you hired them for. Conversion is the first marketing automation platform

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