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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

20VC: Cohere's Chief AI Officer on Why Scaling Laws Will Continue | Whether You Can Buy Success in AI with Talent Acquisitions | The Future of Synthetic Data & What It Means for Models | Why AI Coding is Akin to Image Generation in 2015 with Joelle Pineau

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

The Twenty Minute VC

Business, Investing, Tech News, News

4.4693 Ratings

🗓️ 3 November 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Joelle Pineau is the Chief AI Officer at Cohere, where she leads research on advancing large language models and practical AI systems. Before joining Cohere, she was VP of AI Research at Meta, where she founded and led Meta AI's Montreal lab. A professor at McGill University, Joelle is renowned for her pioneering work in reinforcement learning, robotics, and responsible AI development.

AGENDA: 

00:00 Introduction to AI Scaling Laws

03:00 How Meta Shaped How I Think About AI Research

04:36 Challenges in Reinforcement Learning

10:00 Is It Possible to be Capital Efficient in AI

15:52 AI in Enterprise: Efficiency and Adoption

22:15 Security Concerns with AI Agents

28:34 Can Zuck Win By Buying the Galacticos of AI

32:15 The Rising Cost of Data

35:28 Synthetic Data and Model Degradation

37:22 Why AI Coding is Akin to Image Generation in 2015

48:46 If Joelle Was a VC Where Would She Invest?

52:17 Quickfire: Lessons from Zuck, Biggest Mindset Shift

 

Transcript

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0:00.0

The scaling laws have been remarkably robust.

0:03.1

There's a lot we don't know yet in terms of the vulnerability of these systems.

0:07.7

If you don't need to buy the Galacticos, why do you have like an Andrew Tullock,

0:12.5

a Daniel Gross and Alex Wang and the Galactico's assembling?

0:17.2

If I gave you $10 billion, what would you spend it on first?

0:21.6

Knowing what you know, what do you not let your children do?

0:25.6

This is 20VC with me, Harry Stabbings, and today we have one of the leading minds in AI, Joelle Pinot, on the show.

0:32.6

Joelle is the chief scientist at Cohere, where she leads research on advancing large language models

0:38.3

and practical AI systems. Before joining Cohere, she was VP of AI research at Meta, where she founded

0:44.6

and led Meta's AI Montreal Lab. Joel is also a professor at McGill University and renowned

0:50.3

for her pioneering work in reinforcement learning, robotics and responsible AI development.

0:55.8

But before we dive into the show today, are you drowning in AI tools, chat GPT for writing,

1:01.8

Notion for docs, Gmail for email, Slack for comms, and you're constantly copy pasting

1:07.4

between them all losing context and losing time. This is the AI productivity tax and it's killing your output.

1:14.6

At 20 VC we're all about speed of execution and superhuman is the AI productivity suite

1:20.6

that gives you superpowers everywhere you work.

1:23.6

With the intelligence of Grammally, male and coda built in, you can get things done

1:29.1

faster and collaborate seamlessly. Finally, AI that works where you work, however you work. Superhuman

1:36.4

gets you from day one with zero learning curve and it's personalized to sound like you at your best,

1:42.8

not like everyone else using generic AI.

1:45.4

Get AI that works where you work, unlock your superhuman potential.

1:49.9

Learn more at superhuman.com forward slash podcast. That's superhuman.com slash podcast.

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