20th Anniversary celebration with design legends Massimo Vignelli, Michael Bierut, Paula Scher, Chip Kidd and Louise Fili

Design Matters with Debbie Millman

Design Matters Media

Arts, Design

4.6 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 18 August 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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To celebrate 20 years of Design Matters, Debbie Millman revisits some of her most memorable conversations with design legends Massimo Vignelli, Michael Bierut, Paula Scher, Chip Kidd, and Louise Fili—icons whose voices and vision have shaped the field.

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0:00.0	It's not only harmony, but it's provocative at the same time.
0:05.2	I mean, my goal is to teach somebody how to see.
0:09.0	I mean, it's bringing something to you, and then you have to bring something to it.
0:15.1	From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.
0:22.0	On Design Matters, Debbie talks with some of the most creative people in the world
0:25.8	about what they do, how they got to be who they are,
0:28.4	and what they're thinking about and working on.
0:31.1	On this episode, in celebration of the 20th anniversary of Design Matters,
0:35.5	we're going deep into the archives to hear from some of the
0:38.7	greats about the power and responsibility of design. It participates in the world of communication.
0:47.3	That's just the nature of the beast.
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1:45.7	When I started Design Matters 20 years ago, I mostly interviewed designers.
1:52.0	I was, and I still am a designer, and I wanted to have deep informed conversations with some of the leading lights of my profession.
2:00.9	In the early days, the podcast sounded quite a bit different.
2:05.1	I think we had a little bit of a technical difficulty at that moment.
2:08.0	It was bad telephone audio of me and my guests.
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