I love to bake because I love to eat.

I wanted a place you could go after work or on your day off if you had only a line cook's paycheck, but also a line cook's palette.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

On Design Matters, Debbie talks with some of the most creative people

in the world about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about,

and working on. On this episode, in celebration of the 20th anniversary of Design Matters,

we'll hear from some of the food writers, chefs, and restaurateurs

Debbie has interviewed over the years.

I've always bristled at a date who's like, I'm ordering my dish, you're ordering your

dish. The more resources you have to invest in being creative, the more creative you can be.

Well, we're done. I know where I want to go to school.

Thank you. you can be. Well, we're done. I know where I want to go to school. Debbie and her guests have been making this point for 20 years. Design matters because

everything made by people is designed. From our lamps and furniture to our apps and logos and

bikes and buildings.

Everything has been thought through by somebody, or teams of somebody's, including our food,

the way it's prepared, the way it's served or packaged, the way it's presented.

Over the years, Debbie has interviewed a number of people who have spent their careers

not only making and serving food in new and delicious ways, but also thinking and writing about it.

On this episode, we're going to play some excerpts from our interviews with a few of them.

Let's start with Julia Tertian, the cookbook author and food writer. Debbie interviewed her in 2016. I read that you

always loved and coveted cookbooks and that when you were a kid, you couldn't fall asleep

before reading a cookbook in bed. And I understand that your mom used to send you issues of

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