20Product: Why Most CPOs are Bad | Why You Do Not Need PMs in a World of AI | Why the Design Stage is Dead and How to Use Vibe Coding to Replace It | The Three Roles All Founders End Up Firing on Repeat with Jason James @ Tezi
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🗓️ 29 August 2025
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
Jason James is the Co-Founder of Tezi and one of the leading product minds in the valley. Prior to Tezi, Jason was the VP Product at Instacart and before that was Head of Product and Design at Thumbtack.
AGENDA:
00:00 Product lessons scaling Instacart to $40B – what really moves the needle
02:15 Why "quick optimizations" won't build billion-dollar products
04:30 MVPs are dead? How AI is reshaping product development
07:00 Do startups even need PMs anymore in the age of AI?
11:30 The biggest product mistake Jason made building Tezi
16:30 Why most hiring managers fail at recruiting
20:00 The resume trap: how to spot if someone was just "on the elevator up"
26:00 The three roles founders always end up firing
28:00 Are most CPOs actually terrible?
36:30 The myth of startup "culture" – why growth is the only thing that matters
43:00 Did DoorDash actually beat Instacart? The inside take
48:00 Fundraising secrets founders never realize until it's too late
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | You are listening to 20 Product with me, Harry Stebbings. Now, 20 Product is a show where we dive |
| 0:04.3 | into the best product minds in Silicon Valley to unveil how they think about building product |
| 0:09.1 | teams, managing PMs in a world of AI, how they build the best products and product teams today. |
| 0:16.4 | Now, we're joined today by one of the best, Jason James, co-founder of Tessie and one of the leading |
| 0:21.2 | product minds in the valley. Prior to Tessie, Jason was the VP of product at Instacard leading |
| 0:26.4 | up to their IPO. And before that, he was the head of product and design at Thumbtack. |
| 0:31.2 | But before we dive into the show today, are you struggling to beat model benchmarks or |
| 0:35.6 | implement Gen A.I. In your product? If so, you need Turing. |
| 0:39.6 | Turing is an AGI infrastructure company, backed by incredible investors like Foundation Capital |
| 0:45.3 | and Westbridge Capital. And they do two things. Number one, they help leading companies in AI |
| 0:50.5 | labs, like Salesforce, Anthropic and Meta, enhance their LLMs with advanced reasoning, |
| 0:56.5 | coding, multilinguality, multi-modality and more. |
| 1:00.5 | Number two, they combine human and artificial intelligence expertise to deploy cutting-edge |
| 1:05.7 | AI systems for awesome companies like Rivian and Reddit. |
| 1:09.7 | Right now, Turing offers a free, five-minute self-assessment |
| 1:13.5 | to help you pinpoint your place in the Gen A.I. |
| 1:16.2 | Journey, get tailored next steps to optimize your model strategy, |
| 1:20.5 | and then finally learn how Turing can refine and implement your models for better performance. |
| 1:25.6 | Take the guesswork out of Gen AI. |
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| 1:31.3 | to start your free assessment today. |
| 1:33.8 | And once your Gen AI's strategy is on point with Turing, |
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