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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

209. Islam and the Possibilities of Peace | Mohammed Hijab

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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4.634.5K Ratings

🗓️ 13 December 2021

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

This episode was recorded on November 10th, 2021. In this episode, philosopher Mohammed Hijab joined me to discuss a wide array of topics, such as the traditionalist interpretation of Islam, its metanarrative, the story of the prophet Muhammad, and some common ground among monotheistic Abrahamic religions. Mohammed Hijab is an author and philosopher whose main interests lie in political philosophy, philosophy of religion, and comparative religion. He seeks to spread a better understanding of traditionalist Islam while engaging with prominent thinkers and philosophers worldwide. Find more from Mohammed Hijab on Twitter: https://twitter.com/mohammed_hijab [00:00] Intro [01:48] What beliefs and practices are central to Islam? [04:12] Islam’s unmoved mover argument for God and the universe [07:30] “Things made of parts... must be contingent on being created by something else, a sorting mechanism [that] doesn’t necessitate [creation itself].” Mohammed Hijab [08:25] “It is problematic, through the lens of Islam... for there to be a god of a triune nature like [in] Christianity.” MH [08:58] “Islam does not believe that there’s an element of divinity... in human beings.” MH [10:09] “The word Islam does not mean peace; it means submission. Islam believes that everything in the universe submits to God.” MH [10:57] The metanarrative of Islam [12:12] Mohammed’s view of worship and belief [12:48] “We believe in... the inherent belief in God implanted in humans.” MH [15:20] What’s the purpose of belief? [17:00] The instinct for God arguments vs new atheists [18:27] The Muslim ideal for worship, compared [24:36] Muslims and Christians as followers of Jesus Christ [27:59] How does Dr. Peterson envision the spark of divinity? [28:25] “The divine spark is embodied virtue... reflective of the highest value, operating at a local scale.” JP [29:42] How are the attributes of God knowable to a Muslim? The importance of the original version of the Quran [35:07] “Islam is an evangelizing religion... we want everyone to embrace it.” MH [35:31] Bridges to Islam [38:50] “I’m speaking from the perspective of someone who’s a traditionalist Muslim and not a liberal or enlightened Muslim.” MH [40:47] An abridged story of the prophet Muhammad. The Mecca and Medina periods. Rationalizing the warrior emphasis of many Muslim teachings [44:10] Muhammad’s warrior traits and Hijab’s interpretation [49:20] Exploring the terms “warlord” and “defensive wars.” [50:54] In Hijab’s opinion, what’s the central driving force behind the expansion of Islam? [52:10] “Islam has the capability of being expansive through war... and of making peace treaties. It does and should do whatever’s in its best interest, just like every country.” MH [55:39] Against totalitarianism [58:46] “Evangelising isn’t the same as compelling.” MH [58:56] “Let the best story win. I would say that the proper mode of conversion is something like a shining example.” JP [01:00:28] M.Hijab on western misconceptions of Islam [01:03:20] Other seldom-discussed aspects of Islam [01:08:53] M.Hijab’s take on the war in Serbia [01:11:05] The economic output of Islamic countries [01:15:18] M.Hijab on why the traditionalist view is superior to a liberal one [01:21:34] The struggles of belief. How can we check our own views? [01:23:44] Wrapping up #Islam #Christianity #God #Quran #Jesus

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0:00.0

Welcome to season four episode 66 of the Jordan B Peterson podcast.

0:05.3

In this episode, dad met with author and philosopher Muhammad Hijab,

0:09.7

whose areas of expertise are political philosophy, philosophy, religion, and comparative religion.

0:15.4

They had a very engaging conversation and covered a lot, too much to try and recap here,

0:20.9

but some highlights were how Islam is seen in the West.

0:24.8

It's metanerative, the life of the prophet Muhammad, and the traditionalist take on the Quran in Islam itself.

0:31.9

If you enjoy this episode, please be sure to subscribe.

0:35.7

I understand that, and I'm not even saying that there's something exceptional

0:39.1

in that regard about Islam, although the rate at which it happened was quite remarkable.

0:43.3

But it still presents us with a problem, doesn't it?

0:46.4

I mean, everyone, it presents everyone with a problem.

0:49.4

And the problem is, well, for example, the problem is reconciling the idea of turning the other cheek

0:54.1

with the idea of a just war, a defensive war, an expansive war, for that matter.

0:58.4

And of course, that issue is relevant to Islam because Islam exploded outward

1:03.6

and produced the biggest empire of the world had ever seen in the space of a few short centuries.

1:08.4

So then you ask, well, what's the spirit?

1:13.7

What is the spirit that animated that?

1:16.4

And is that attributable to the Islamic doctrines themselves?

1:20.4

I don't know the answer to that.

1:21.9

Now, let me tell you the answers to that, OK?

1:24.1

And this is what I want to tell you conclusively.

1:26.1

And this will help build bridges, honestly, because we can maintain the war world thesis,

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