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#208 – Jeff Hawkins: The Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence

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Lex Fridman

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science, Technology

4.713K Ratings

🗓️ 8 August 2021

⏱️ 146 minutes

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0:00.0

The following is a conversation with Jeff Hawkins, a neuroscientist seeking to understand

0:05.4

the structure, function, and origin of intelligence in the human brain. He previously wrote the

0:11.2

seminal book on the subject titled On Intelligence, and recently a new book called A Thousand Brains,

0:18.5

which presents a new theory of intelligence that Richard Dawkins, for example, has been

0:24.6

raving about, calling the book, quote, brilliant, and exhilarating. I can't read those two words

0:31.1

and not think of him saying it in his British accent. Quick mention of our sponsors,

0:36.6

Codecademy, Biooptimizers, ExpressVPN, A Sleep, and Blinkist. Check them out in the description

0:43.3

to support this podcast. As a side note, let me say that one small but powerful idea that Jeff

0:49.1

Hawkins mentions in his new book is that if human civilization were to destroy itself,

0:54.6

all of knowledge, all our creations will go with us. He proposes that we should think about how

1:01.2

to save that knowledge in a way that long outlives us, whether that's on earth,

1:06.4

in orbit around earth, or in deep space, and then to send messages that advertise this backup of

1:12.8

human knowledge to other intelligent alien civilizations. The main message of this advertisement

1:19.0

is not that we are here, but that we were once here. This little difference somehow was deeply

1:28.7

humbling to me, that we may with some non-zero likelihood destroy ourselves and that an alien

1:34.8

civilization, thousands or millions of years from now may come across this knowledge store,

1:40.4

and they would only with some low probability even notice it not to mention be able to interpret it.

1:46.2

And the deeper question here for me is what information in all of human knowledge is even essential?

1:52.6

Does Wikipedia capture it or not at all? This thought experiment forces me to wonder what are the

1:59.2

things we've accomplished and are hoping to still accomplish that will outlive us? Is it things

2:05.3

like complex buildings, bridges, cars, rockets? Is it ideas like science, physics, and mathematics?

2:11.9

Is it music, an art? Is it computers, computational systems, or even artificial intelligence systems?

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