Welcome to the Tech Policy Podcast. I'm Evan Schwargerber. On today's show, restoring internet freedom or the end of net neutrality. I guess it depends on how you look at it. But after today's announcements, we're recording on Tuesday, November 21st, the FCC is set to rollback internet regulations passed in 2015 under the previous administration.

Now, critics are sounding the alarm with breathless headlines saying it's the end of the

internet as we know it.

But proponents of the rollback, including FCC chairman of G Pi, say these rules were

unnecessary and have stifled innovation and investment in broadband networks.

Well, whatever your view, it would be good to hear from the man himself. So we're delighted to welcome FCC Chairman and Jeep Pie to the show. Mr. Chairman, thanks for coming back.

Hey, good to see you, Evan, and you too, Baron. I know you have so much time these days, so I really appreciate you coming. And Tech Freedom President Baron Soka to make this a little bit less complicated. Barron, thanks for joining.

That's my goal.

So the big picture here, you have said the internet was not broken before 2015 and that there was no reason to pass these rules.

Yet, can you really say the internet is broken now?

What are you trying to accomplish, given that there are so many people who say they like

these rules and startup saying

it's important for them to their businesses to make sure that the big, bad ISPs don't block

their traffic or discriminate against them. What are you trying to accomplish by getting rid of

these rules if everything kind of seems all right right now? What we're trying to accomplish

is to free up that so-called virtuous cycle, where both network operators and

innovators have the maximum incentive to invest and innovate on this online platform that's

delivered so much digital value for consumers over the last several decades. And one of the things

we found as we look through the record is that these heavy-handed regulations that were adopted

on a party-line vote by the Obama administration's FCC

have had an impact. They have dissuaded some companies from investing, especially smaller companies

that are helping to close the digital divide. They've inhibited innovation in terms of companies'

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