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2: US-Russia Summit in Budapest Amid Ukraine Escalation Fears. Anatol Lieven discusses how US President Trump and Russian President Putin agreed to meet in Budapest to discuss ending the Ukraine conflict following a productive call. The meeting, hosted in Vi

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

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🗓️ 17 October 2025

⏱️ 5 minutes

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US-Russia Summit in Budapest Amid Ukraine Escalation Fears. Anatol Lieven discusses how US President Trump and Russian President Putin agreed to meet in Budapest to discuss ending the Ukraine conflict following a productive call. The meeting, hosted in Viktor Orbán's Hungary, aims to reduce extreme tensions and avoid direct clashes between Russia and NATO. Discussion points include potential territorial compromise in Donbas and concerns over deploying Tomahawk missiles, which Russia views as a major escalation.
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0:26.4

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0:31.9

from Sochi to Moscow to Petersburg, listening to the voices, not dissenting voices, anxious voices, and reason

0:39.8

to have them.

0:41.0

Before Anatole and I learned of this possible meeting in Budapest, we despaired of the Alaska

0:47.7

conference going nowhere.

0:49.3

We despaired of escalation because accidents happen.

0:52.7

For example, Anatole has pointed to something that was a news item this week and perhaps needs

0:57.6

more attention.

0:59.2

NATO vows to shoot down intruding Russian fighter jets in chilling message.

1:05.0

You bet that's NATO.

1:07.7

I'm not saying that it's not America involved in this, but to shoot down a Russian aircraft is

1:14.0

way, way bigger than I was thinking NATO was going, using lethal weaponry, military alliance

1:23.2

leaders in the process of developing new regulations that could potentially allow for the shooting down

1:28.4

of Russian warplanes. That was earlier this week. We also have, as Anatole mentioned, the talk of

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