Welcome to Part 2 with Dr. Joseph Spencer, 2nd Mefai 26 through 30.

Later on, we're going to hear Alma say, I just love this phrase, if you will give place and that's that I'm gonna set the

evidence stuff aside for a second and I'm gonna give place even if I can no more

the desire to believe, could this possibly be true,

which demonstrates a humility and faith instead of evidence? I love that phrase. I got to give place,

and maybe that's what you're talking about Hank we could be in danger of not giving place if we get to evidence intellectually

based on the whole thing. One way I've taught this to students on occasion, especially like one-on-one settings where a student

will come in saying, but what about, what about, what about, I'll say like stop, stop,

stop.

Let's just talk about an analogy for a minute. There are other things that work like

Nefai is describing here. Think about love. Imagine a marriage in which you are constantly

demanding signs that the other loves you before you will believe that they do.

Imagine a relationship in which you are constantly trying to measure it in scientific terms.

You will kill love so fast.

Love is the kind of thing that you have to open a space.

And it's vulnerable and it's complicated and it's messy,

but you can do the kind of thing that happens in Alma 32

and measure your feelings as they develop.

Faith works like love, not like science.

You have to be carefully attuned, open, listening, not the kind of thing that you just pull out the microscope and the particle

collider and see what you can detect.

It's not how it works.

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