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This is CBSi and the world. I'm John Boucher with Dan Flores. His new book is Wild New World,

the epic story of animals and people in America. The Clovis culture, so-called because of where it was identified, that tools were suggestive

of a developing culture, is important first to establish where the sites are and Dan's book wonderfully

gives us a map of what's been found so far. They're more defined.

And these are between around 13,000 years ago.

There's speculation that human beings,

as we, the modern, modern human beings,

were here before them.

But it's important to establish why Clovis matters.

Den, it's the tools, it's the hunting skills,

it's the remains of the sites, is that why we key on that 13,000 years ago?

Now, it. on that really is all those things you mentioned as you referred to we do

we do believe, or pretty convinced, in fact, by a set of footprints found in southern

New Mexico just four or five years ago, that people did get here even before the glacial maximum 23,000 years ago, but it looks

as if their populations were really small.

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