2/8: Three years later, the Pandemic breaks #PRC healthcare, confidence and recovery: 2/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century, by Josh Rogin.
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2/8: Three years later, the Pandemic breaks #PRC healthcare, confidence and recovery: 2/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century, by Josh Rogin.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08B364SKG/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0
The explosive, behind-the-scenes story of Donald Trump’s high-stakes confrontation with Beijing, from an award-winning Washington Post columnist and peerless observer of the U.S.–China relationship
There was no calm before the storm. Donald Trump’s surprise electoral victory shattered the fragile understanding between Washington and Beijing, putting the most important relationship of the twenty-first century in the hands of a novice who had bitterly attacked China from the campaign trail. Almost as soon as he entered office, Trump brought to a boil the long-simmering rivalry between the two countries, while also striking up a “friendship” with Chinese president Xi Jinping — whose manipulations of his American counterpart would undermine the White House’s already disjointed response to the historic challenge of a rising China. All the while, Trump’s own officials fought to steer U.S. policy from within.
By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Boucher, continuing my conversation with the author, Josh Rogan, of the Washington |
| 0:08.3 | Post, his new book Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the 21st Century. |
| 0:14.6 | This is a careful explication of the evolving Trump administration policy towards China. |
| 0:21.6 | It is also an examination of China's understanding or lack of of how the U.S. works over the |
| 0:28.5 | course of our two and a half centuries. |
| 0:30.3 | We're a very young nation compared to the middle kingdom, very, very young. |
| 0:34.9 | The Chinese begin the Trump administration by naming the thing itself. |
| 0:39.7 | Our territorial integrity, our sovereignty must not be questioned. |
| 0:44.4 | And of course, that's what the Trump people did for four years. |
| 0:47.5 | And the U.S. will continue. |
| 0:49.2 | However, we go tomorrow, Lago. |
| 0:50.8 | A wonderful scene that will someday be in an opera. |
| 0:55.6 | Donald Trump is serving his chocolate cake to Xi Jinping in a celebratory mood. |
| 1:01.0 | And he delivers the message that he's just ordered cruise missiles fired on Syria. |
| 1:06.2 | At least that's the legend. |
| 1:07.2 | I'll go with it because the question here is, what are the forces within the Trump administration? |
| 1:12.5 | That early date that are pulling and pushing the development of the China policy. |
| 1:18.3 | We need personalities here. |
| 1:19.7 | Now, Josh, you may clear that it's not clear that everybody's in one camper another. |
| 1:24.7 | They move back and forth. |
| 1:26.2 | But I'm going to seize on plan A. |
| 1:28.0 | That's Gary Cohn, Steve Menuchin, and the Wall Street gang. |
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