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This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchewith, the author, Reith Abdullahad. He's also the journalist,

Reith al-Abdullahad. His new book is A Stranger in Your Own City, Travels in the Middle East Long War.

Great, I learned from you that you saw Saddam Hussein, the leader of necessity, twice, once as a youth and again end the trial.

What struck you as the change that you observed in him when he entered the courtroom?

So, John, as I said, you know, I grew up in the shadow of Saddam, and for me, when I was a child, he was something like, you know, bigger than God in our lives. And I remember when I was

a child seeing him on top of a Mercedes car waving to the crowd. The second time when I saw him

was this frail, old man, white beard,

entering the courtroom. And that court, that trial of Saddam, it could have been another point

in which the Iraqis would have learned something about their history. It could have been a moment

of reckoning with our history turned into Ashan about their history. It could have been a moment of reckoning with our history.

Turned into a sham, into a victor's justice.

It was a parody of justice.

It actually, what the trial did,

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