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2/2: #The Second Term plan: 2/2: #Energy: Now the Administration seeks a windfall tax on oil and gas enterprises.: 2/2: #Energy: Fraught. Richard A Epstein, @RichardAEpstein, @HooverInst, Tisch Professor of Law NYU Bedford Senior Fellow; Hoover Instituti

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🗓️ 25 June 2023

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2/2: #The Second Term plan: 2/2: #Energy: Now the Administration seeks a windfall tax on oil and gas enterprises.: 2/2: #Energy: Fraught. Richard A Epstein, @RichardAEpstein, @HooverInst, Tisch Professor of Law NYU Bedford Senior Fellow; Hoover Institution; senior lecturer, University of Chicago Law School. (Originally posted May 23, 2022)

https://www.hoover.org/research/all-wrong-moves-energy-markets



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0:00.0

This is CBS Island World. I'm John Batsworth, Professor Richard Epstein of the Hoover Institution,

0:09.8

teaches law at NYU in the University of Chicago. Outlining the challenges that the U.S. and

0:16.1

our allies and the globe face with a fuel dislocations right now, the war, Russia, and

0:23.4

the ambition of Glasgow in 2021 to reduce fossil fuel and increase renewables. Richard has suggested

0:31.6

in his essay for defining ideas that there are remedies tried by those who are engaged in

0:39.1

worrying about the Green Revolution, but want to find ways to work with fossil fuel. The

0:43.8

first that comes to me, Richard in U.S.A. is that the Congress has proposed capping prices.

0:50.9

At the same time, there is a proposal to tax extraction companies, fuel, big oil, over $66.

1:00.3

Will either of those increase the supply while mitigating the domination of fossil fuel?

1:06.3

How could you possibly increase the supply of anything if you tax its production? What it will do

1:14.2

essentially is to say that if the prices start to go up, the companies cannot essentially get

1:20.4

the gains from it so they have no incentive to increase production because they're not going to be able

1:25.4

to capture the particular situation. Then the supplies will become even shorter and more scarce,

1:32.2

and so the prices will go up even further. It's the same thing, whether you call it a

1:37.0

Winfell profit tax on the one hand or a cap on prices or another, ever since George Stigler

1:42.4

did his pioneering work on regulation. What we realize is that taxes and regulations are kind of

1:47.8

compliments and substitutes for each other, so that if you want to figure out how to reduce output

1:53.0

by a given amount, you can either impose a price regulation on the one hand or a tax on the other.

1:58.1

If you know how to calibrate these things, you can get pretty much the same result either way,

2:03.1

with differences in terms of the way in which the cash gets to move. Taxation transfers wealth,

2:08.6

whereas regulation tends to make sure that the wealth is never created. So this is so foolishness

2:15.0

that's going on here. What you have to do is to have a very simple program. Don't define

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