I'm John Bachelors with Henry Sikalski, the Executive Director of the Non-Proliferation Policy Education

Center.

Lautmer Putin visited Shijin Ping and Beijing.

The visit continues.

In the course of this, besides a T-set,

they had a 7,000-word joint statement, a great deal on trade, on culture, on military.

And then there was one line that stands out.

It's been emphasized by reporting.

There can be no winners in a nuclear war. It's been emphasized by reporting.

There can be no winners in a nuclear war

and it should never be fought.

That's the statement of 7,000 words.

At the same time, within days, we have this from the Wall Street Journal.

Russia launched research spacecraft for anti-satellite nuclear weapon two years ago,

US officials say.

Cosmos 2553 went into orbit in February 2022, just weeks before Russia invaded Ukraine.

Since then, Mr. Putin has said several times what his red line

is in the Ukraine war which he says is a war with NATO. He makes it very clear that NATO putting troops in any fashion or joining

in the Ukrainian forces would be a red line. And we come to this now, within hours, a headline in the New York Times, as Russia advances

NATO considers sending trainers into Ukraine.

That's the elaborate setup, Henry. Where are we now? We're calling each other's bluff with

nuclear weapons. We're deploying without intention to use them. What is your measure?

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