This is CBSI in the world I'm John Batchler. Professor Evan Ellis is here identifying

in a new paper he's published and also helping me understand the backstory of Ecuador,

which has here to for bin one of the few spots in all of the Americas that has not gone

to the pink, so-called pink tide of these last years elections. But right now the choice

for the Ecuadorian people is no choice. Either Gonzales who is associated with the old

boss or Gentopak who is associated with the older boss. We have a country that doesn't

have good options in democracy and Professor, your measure, do we let it, do we just watch

it happen and Ecuador asserts that it's following democracy, they'll let the people rule.

I mentioned that only because the gangsters, well, let's say those who live outside the

law are going to battle each other once they get control. There's no promise here there'll

be peace after the election. Absolutely, John. First of all, I think it's worth pointing out that

despite all of Ecuador's troubles with violence and other things, Ecuador still has a relatively

good level of institutionality. So for example, there is a relatively little question of Ecuador holding

credible elections and in relatively neutral elections in terms of adherence to the rules.

So we saw this that even with the assassination of Fernando de Vicencio that there is a process

in which his party was allowed to basically create a substitute, actually ended up being two

substitutes because they decided the first person they wanted to go with his vice president,

Gonzales wasn't the right one to go and they chose a Christian's Rita. But so the dilemma really

is the people who seem to be popular and is so much the case across Latin America when the people

lose faith in procedural democracy because of frustration with corruption and violence and

in turn to candidates that seem different or more populist who are willing to bend the rules.

How one does one then prevent those candidates in that momentum from ultimately

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