I'm John Batsu with my colleague Jacob Wiggel, a professor of politics in American

UNUCUCIC University of America.

He's also a visiting fellow at Stanford University writing with his colleague

Wes Mitchell at foreign policy about Europe First.

What is to be done now that we demonstrate the links, what is to be done now that we demonstrate the links what is to be done is stop

aggression now by this I mean Ukraine is that correct yaku that's the most

immediate yes I mean that's there's a war going on on the European continent and we can't ignore it.

We didn't choose it. We didn't cause it, but it's there and we have to take that into consideration seriously because a loss there, meaning a collapse and a fall of Ukraine and an expansion of Russian influence of some form or in some format in some format in that region would be would cause problems

and instability in Europe for decades to come.

It will cause immediately a problem because it will be a security threat,

immediate direct security threat to our NATO allies.

Think about Poland, the Baltic states, Finland and others.

But it also creates a sense in Europe that the US is not serious

about deterring and defeating Russia.

And some countries will arm as a response to it,

which could be positive, but some others,

I think more in the Western side of the continent,

will seek a further accommodation.

We return to policy of accommodation towards Russia and presumably at that point I think

also towards China because why oppose a country that is even farther from you?

And that, in of itself, I think,

would be a disaster for our foreign policy

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