This is a series of cebse on the world. I'm John Bachelor with Henry Sikalski, the executive director of the nonproliferation Policy Education Center.

Also, someone who has sponsored a war game called Pandora Unleased about an exchange of nuclear weapons.

Asculatory latter up to and then including an exchange of nuclear weapons, escalatory up to and then including an exchange of nuclear weapons

between the Islamic Republic of Tehran and Israel.

And the game stops with the first two strikes on territory.

One against Israel, against an air base where Americans die,

another against command and control centers in Iran where Iranians die and we can presume

there are other nationals there as well. Henry we stop the game and we've come

to lessons learn. The first is about uncertainty and if I read this correctly

from your game playing with your colleagues, there is no clarity whatsoever even though

they've used nuclear weapons. Is that correct?

They don't know if the Israelis don't know if they've actually destroyed the targets they've aimed at.

The Americans don't know. destroyed the targets they've aimed at.

The Americans don't know exactly what the Israelis

have targeted because the Israelis are not sharing

information because they didn't get the level of cooperation they wanted from the Americans

in the first place. We know Russians have been killed, we know Americans have

been killed, we don't know if Russians and Americans are going to say well well, now we need to get into this war because of those

deaths. We don't know if Israel is going to fire more of its magazine, it has easily another 50 if not more nuclear weapons

left. We don't know if Iran has yet another nuclear weapon and whether it will

target Israel.

We don't know if the targets will turn from military targets to population targets,

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